ANAN G2 1K5 Shipping Update

[Trucker]

Maybe this will give some idea on how long this process will take.

https://compliancetesting.com/how-long- ... 0documents.

[K4VR]

You have to have a radio to test before getting FCC testing. Can't make any significant changes to it (e.g. power supplies).
So all the FCC testing indicates is they have locked down the design and components and actually have one to test.

My point was about planning not implementation. The design process for engineering always covers certifications in the early stages of design. How can you design something to meet a specification without knowing the specification you have to meet? 73, Jack K4VR.

[wz3hmt]

I am wondering where my radio is, pre-ordered back in Dec 2022, was told the ANAN 8000-DLE would be replaced by the ANAN G2, then told it would need a external psu for another $450, okay, told it would deliver in Feb 2024, now told delivery expected June 2024 but no radio.

Very frustrating, waiting for 1.5+years. I think I have been patient but loosing patience now.

Hank - wz3hmt

[Plantarum]

So,...... what is the new shipping date now?
Seems to be "unknown".

[Trucker]

So,...... what is the new shipping date now?
Seems to be "unknown".

I think you nailed it.

James
WD5GWY

[I2NOY]

In about 14 days I celebrate 2 years from my order.
I am staying on the list only for the relatively good price I got but it is unbelivable that a company is mistreating their customers in such a way!

[w9mdb]

That's the price of being on the bleeding edge of technology. I'm coming up on 2 years too.
They ran into numerous problems....processor was discontinued....components slowed down during COVD....cooling problems when testing high power resulting in numerous changes....power problems which we are now waiting for the new 75Amp power supplies to be delivered (last I heard). They really are trying to deliver a state-of-the-art rig that can do 1500W (800W FT8) and this is a first for ham operators.
You can't touch this with any other setup. You can spend a lot more for Elecraft and get 1500W FT8 (another 3dB) which is hardly worth the extra $$ (over twice as much). Only thing we're missing is a tuner which I hope to see in the future.

The one thing they could do to improve is keep us up-to-date better. Communication has been sparse.

[Plantarum]

Right well,.......

My latest info:

Power supplies have been fitted and the radio's are ready.
AL are now waiting for FCC and CE approval, as they fear fines, which are substantial.

According to Abhi this should not take too much longer.

Cheers,

Hubert

[K4IBC]

Typical FCC approval times are usually about 6 months. Can be longer if independent lab testing finds problems.

[w9mdb]

From the G2 Saturn manual:

The ANAN-G2 complies with FCC Part 97 rules for the Amateur Radio Service. It has been confirmed by the relevant authorities that the ANAN-G2 DOES NOT require FCC certification. Under rule 97 Amateur radio equipment with the exception of amplifiers and scanning receivers are exempt from certification, however, must conform to rule 97 which states that harmonic and spurious emissions must be below 43dB of the transmitted out up to 30MHz and 60dB beyond that.

And the 1.5K falls into this exception also which requires FCC certification only for EXTERNAL amplifiers.

Any external RF power amplifier (see § 2.815 of the FCC Rules) manufactured or imported for use at an amateur radio station must be certificated for use in the amateur service in accordance with subpart J of part 2 of the FCC Rules.

[K4IBC]

The problem happened when they realized that the 1K5 could be used as an external amplifier with any other radio.

[w9mdb]

The amp is for sale separately -- so that will require FCC validation...not the one in the 1.5K model.

[K4IBC]

The amp is for sale separately -- so that will require FCC validation...not the one in the 1.5K model.

Read this message. It pertains to the G2 radio with amplifier built in.

It was brought to our attention by several key stakeholders that the ANAN-G2 1K5 model could potentially be modified to operate as a Linear Amplifier by bypassing the internal Saturn card. Given the regulatory implications of such modifications, it was recommended that we seek type approval for this model to ensure full compliance with all FCC relevant regulations.

viewtopic.php?f=3&t=5115

[w9mdb]

That's a pretty lousy reason. Anybody could modify a rig to do whatever....and kill the required side band suppression too for example.
Manufacturers aren't expected to make their equipment hack proof.
If it's not easily done than the FCC wouldn't require it.
On the other hand if it's just a matter of they way you hook it up that might apply.
I sure hope I don't have to wait another 6 months.

[I2NOY]

Two months from last info from Ahbi.
In a world where communication is more important than substance it is absurd that AL is not informing us about this new product. At least who has already payed a deposit!!


P.S. I transferred to AL $ 1795 on August 18th 2022 and $ 399 for 50 V external power supply on November 16th 2022!

[w9ac]

It was brought to our attention by several key stakeholders that the ANAN-G2 1K5 model could potentially be modified to operate as a Linear Amplifier by bypassing the internal Saturn card. Given the regulatory implications of such modifications, it was recommended that we seek type approval for this model to ensure full compliance with all FCC relevant regulations.

It's a silly rationale but it's their prerogative to seek FCC certification. The ability to hack into the RF stages of a 1K5W transceiver is no different than a 10W, 100W or 200W transceiver. They can all be hacked between the exciter and IPA or PA stages to create an "external amplifier." As such, should AL seek certification for each and every 100W transceiver?

The primary reasons why other transceiver manufacturers seek FCC certification are: (1) scanning ability; and (2) operation on some bands above HF. Of course, stand-alone amplifiers require certification. Another silly requirement, but that's a separate topic for discussion.

Paul, W9AC

[K4IBC]

Two months from last info from Ahbi.
In a world where communication is more important than substance it is absurd that AL is not informing us about this new product. At least who has already payed a deposit!!


P.S. I transferred to AL $ 1795 on August 18th 2022 and $ 399 for 50 V external power supply on November 16th 2022!

I can understand your frustration and it is warranted. I hate to say it but the wait is probably going to be a lot longer. It takes at least 6 months to get FCC approval on a product. It is unexcusable for a company to offer a product especially a pre-production product, take deposits on said items, then grossly deviate from the original item offered, not establish End of Life timelines with suppliers during development, and then at a time when they are ready to produce said item decide they need FCC Approval. They must not consult with manufacturers of key components about end of life dates when designing products. That is very evident when they designed a new radio and the FPGA chip that is the cornerstone of the radio became obsolete soon after initial release of the radio and they had a major delay in going to a different FPGA. The chip manufacture did not suddenly decide not to make the product it was known well ahead of time. Also blaming COVID for long term shortages was a blatant lie. COVID shortages were 6-9 months at most. A lot of chip manufacturers continued to produce products thru the pandemic. The shortages were because deliver was limited because of limitations placed on shipping by destination countries. Remember all the ships sitting off the coast of the states waiting on approval so they could be unloaded.

The customer is funding product develop with the risk of the product never being delivered. Customers are NOT made aware that the actual product doesn't exist. They are led to believe that development has already been achieved and Apache Labs is ready to produce the product. The customer is led to believe he is funding production cost not development cost. Apache Labs is running their own in house KickStarter Program.

There are probably many like you, who have waited almost 2 years for a product that is not going to be produced in it's original form. We just don't hear about them on this forum.

Apache Labs need to re-center its' focus to nothing more than a few products for 2-3 years and work more on developing a customer service structure. There are some that need repairs on equipment that can not even get that. They are left with 1000s of dollars worth of paperweight.
Apache Labs needs to focus strictly on the G2 line. Five products total all very similar, G2 with or without screen, G2 with 1.5K with or without screen and the G2 1.5K Amplifier.

Apache Labs needs to restructure itself and publicly announce the new structure and a strict timeline for all this to happen. Announce not just here but also on the front page of its' website. Each product listing should state that the product being offered has not been developed and final production model has not been built. If you are going to give a delivery date then stick to it or refund customers' deposits.

It is not just Abhi but the also the investors some of which are probably members here that need to plug the holes I am afraid that in its' current condition Apache Labs is too big of a risk to spend any money with unless the actual product is on the shelf and ready for delivery.

That is my rant for today. This will probably get me either banned or my post deleted but it has to be said and no one is saying it. The elephant has been knocking long enough and be let into the room.

[WR4N]

P.S. I transferred to AL $ 1795 on August 18th 2022 and $ 399 for 50 V external power supply on November 16th 2022!

There are some that need repairs on equipment that can not even get that. They are left with 1000s of dollars worth of paperweight.

I understand the majority of your comments … with the exception of “repairs.” In the USA, Doug does an amazing job with repairs … absolutely amazing.

[vk1hx]

Two months from last info from Ahbi.

That is my rant for today. This will probably get me either banned or my post deleted but it has to be said and no one is saying it. The elephant has been knocking long enough and be let into the room.

It's all been said before and in other forums. It's a joke period. It goes unanswered by the owner who have no regard. People who pay their money and are lucky to receive the product they purchased will offer positive feedback. Yet there are cases where some purchasers placed orders for "standard" anan G2's months before others yet haven't had their orders fulfilled, yet another joke.

It's a case of buyer beware of the issues and hopefully make an informed decision. The software development is more in line with proper development (even if there is a cost for improvements) the current development of Thetis is outdated and patchy at best and does not come close to utilizing the full potential of the Saturn hardware. Too much time spent on "bling" popups and other random bits and pieces, rather than improving/updating the main GUI. It all sort of fits together, poor business service combined with software.

The new Flex 8800 series with adaptive predistortion will be a serious contender to take over Apache Labs going forward considering many uers of SDR hardware/software are just looking to run Puresignal as a fix for poor IMD performance.

[vk1hx]

I understand the majority of your comments … with the exception of “repairs.” In the USA, Doug does an amazing job with repairs … absolutely amazing.

I took that comment to be targeted at Apache Labs and not the US repair centre/s. Availability of spare parts is almost as hard to get hold of as the main unit itself. Take for instance the Andromeda, you cannot get parts to fix them, 12 months after they were released. A customer here in VK had one with less than 12 use when it failed, and Apache Labs still haven't replaced it after advising the customer it could not be repaired and will be replaced with a G2. That issue is going on for 2 years, ref: viewtopic.php?f=43&t=4873

Like new customers, repair centres are also at the mercy of Apache Labs.

[K1LSB]

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The software development is more in line with proper development (even if there is a cost for improvements) the current development of Thetis is outdated and patchy at best and does not come close to utilizing the full potential of the Saturn hardware. Too much time spent on "bling" popups and other random bits and pieces, rather than improving/updating the main GUI. It all sort of fits together, poor business service combined with software.
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The Thetis software is open source and has never been maintained by Apache labs, they are strictly a hardware manufacturer. The general user interface look-and-feel of Thetis is traceable back to the Flex PowerSDR software. If anyone (including yourself) wants the software to look and/or feel differently, they are welcome to dive into that effort themselves.

Mark

[K4IBC]

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The software development is more in line with proper development (even if there is a cost for improvements) the current development of Thetis is outdated and patchy at best and does not come close to utilizing the full potential of the Saturn hardware. Too much time spent on "bling" popups and other random bits and pieces, rather than improving/updating the main GUI. It all sort of fits together, poor business service combined with software.
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The Thetis software is open source and has never been maintained by Apache labs, they are strictly a hardware manufacturer. The general user interface look-and-feel of Thetis is traceable back to the Flex PowerSDR software. If anyone (including yourself) wants the software to look and/or feel differently, they are welcome to dive into that effort themselves.

Mark

Yes the software and it's development is and always has been an open sourced volunteer development. No one is paid to develop software or firmware, even PiSDR and the G2 Software is open sourced volunteered development. Anyone is welcome to offer suggestions and submit code to be merged into current software. Right now less than a handful contribute to the software. Criticizing the software is not gone to go over well or be an incentive to the ones that do the most work. In the last two or 3 years there has been a lot of work put into the software. Lot of software problems have been corrected and new features added. NO ONE can compete against what Thetis now offers the user. It is close now to being a design your own user interface front end. It offers AI trained noise reduction. Ritchie just released this morning a software update with tons of fixes and new features. I don't think anyone can or should complain about the software. Praise for the software is needed more than criticism.

[K1LSB]

Yes the software and it's development is and always has been an open sourced volunteer development. No one is paid to develop software or firmware, even PiSDR and the G2 Software is open sourced volunteered development. Anyone is welcome to offer suggestions and submit code to be merged into current software. Right now less than a handful contribute to the software. Criticizing the software is not gone to go over well or be an incentive to the ones that do the most work. In the last two or 3 years there has been a lot of work put into the software. Lot of software problems have been corrected and new features added. NO ONE can compete against what Thetis now offers the user. It is close now to being a design your own user interface front end. It offers AI trained noise reduction. Ritchie just released this morning a software update with tons of fixes and new features. I don't think anyone can or should complain about the software. Praise for the software is needed more than criticism.

This! I didn't want to come right out and state that Richie is close to a general release of another RC for Thetis (I've been trying to keep up with his latest efforts) but I'm glad you did.

Mark

[w9mdb]

New release just came out...
viewtopic.php?f=9&t=5170

[JJ4SDR]

P.S. I transferred to AL $ 1795 on August 18th 2022 and $ 399 for 50 V external power supply on November 16th 2022!

There are some that need repairs on equipment that can not even get that. They are left with 1000s of dollars worth of paperweight.

I understand the majority of your comments … with the exception of “repairs.” In the USA, Doug does an amazing job with repairs … absolutely amazing.

David,
I completely agree with you concerning "repairs" here in the U.S. and Doug is incredibly patient, I might add!
Juha
NI2M

[Plantarum]

Update anyone?

CE certification for a complex product takes three to four months.
That time has passed long time ago........

[w9mdb]

Actually they just recently decided to get certification...

Last communication I had was in April and nothing since....

On Tuesday, April 2, 2024 at 09:57:43 PM CDT, <aprakash@apache-labs.com> wrote:


Hi All,

I would like to provide a quick update on your ANAN G2-1K order.

The Factory has completed production of the Pallet Card, LPF, Filter/Control Boards. The enclosures have been delayed by the Chinese CM due to the Chinese New Year Holidays. The laser cutting and sheet metal work is complete, and the plates are now undergoing surface finishing and powder coating.

We expect to receive the enclosures in about 3 weeks after which the final assembly of the electronics will be completed followed by testing and burn-in after which we will commence shipments of the rig. We expect the final assembly and testing to take approximately 3 weeks after receipt of the enclosures.

We will commence invoicing your orders once it has completed the testing/burn-in. Orders will ship strictly in the order they were received.

I have had some queries regarding the enclosure dimensions, these are:

49.7cm L x 38.4cm W x 13.8cm H (not including extrusions/Handles)

The Product page has also been updated with the latest specs:

https://apache-labs.com/al-products/104 ... oking.html

We have also upgraded the LPF, this is now based on the design by DJ0ABR and is capable of high duty cycle operation without the need of active cooling, we use T200 size cores for 160/80/40/30/20M and 2mm Thick Copper wire coils for the higher bands.

I would like to apologise for the delay, however, we are quite confident that we will ship your orders as per the estimated ship time provided above without further delays.

Regards,

Abhi

[I2NOY]

Anan G2 1K5 is no more on home page.
On products page it is listed an Anan G2 1K at $ 5,995 as "booking".
I feel OMs who have prepayed this radio more than 2 years ago would have a bad surprise...

[w9mdb]

They updated the specs on the booking page...1500W high power 800W low power (e.g. high duty cycle).

So 1500W SSB/CW and 800W FM/Digital

https://apache-labs.com/al-products/104 ... oking.html

[K4IBC]

They updated the specs on the booking page...1500W high power 800W low power (e.g. high duty cycle).

So 1500W SSB/CW and 800W FM/Digital

https://apache-labs.com/al-products/104 ... oking.html

Seeing as it has Dual ART1k6 LDMOS Devices I think the derating for 100% either comes from lack of cooling ability or the ability of ancillary devices being capable of 100% ie filters, relays, and such.